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Massive database to keep tabs on Brits

They're watching you

NEWS: 20 May 2008 11:40 GMT by Katie Scott

Details of every single phone call you make, email you pen and website you have visited could soon be stored in a massive government database.

If plans get the go-ahead, ISPs and telecoms companies could soon have to hand over their records to the Home Office, which will be kept for 12 months, and will be accessible by authorities once permission has been granted by the courts.

The Government proposal is claimed to be necessary to help fight crime and, in particular, terrorism.

But opposition has already been raised not least by those concerned about the Government's ability to safely store such vast amounts of personal information.

As The Times reports, about 57 billion text messages were sent in Britain last year, while an estimated 3 billion emails are sent every day.

Jonathan Bamford, the assistant Information Commissioner, is opposing the plans just purely because of privacy problems: "This would give us serious concerns and may well be a step too far".

"We are not aware of any justification for the State to hold every UK citizen’s phone and internet records. We have real doubts that such a measure can be justified, or is proportionate or desirable."

"We have warned before that we are sleepwalking into a surveillance society. Holding large collections of data is always risky - the more data that is collected and stored, the bigger the problem when the data is lost, traded or stolen."

David Davis, the Shadow Home Secretary, also hit out at the plans: "Given [ministers’] appalling record at maintaining the integrity of databases holding people’s sensitive data, this could well be more of a threat to our security, than a support."

Telephone companies have been required to keep 12 months worth of records and texts since October but this is soon to be extended to ISPs.

>> Via - The Times Online


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  • This is appalling, what happened to living in a ‘free’ country?
    It will not be long before I have a number stamped on my head!
    Michael Barry, UK
  • you know what im gonna say. total tyranny. that's all you can say about this globalist labour government. the facts are that if the british hadn't betrayed the palestinians in the late forties then terrorism wouldn't even be an issue. you can trace all terror back to the british and u.s intelligence communities. I guess i should be locked up as being an enemy of the state?
    simon lomax, uk
  • Just how easy would it be for the "Authorities" to gain access to the information? Magistrates certainly aren't up to the job as little more than civilians and I'm sure that even Crown judges would feel obliged my police to hand them over whenever they are requested, regardless fo why.
    Will the "Authorities" have an independant body in place to oversee their requests for information to make sure they're not being handed out for car-parking fines etc...when does it stop/ start?
    carl, uk
  • The Government are Idiots.
    This will not protect us against Terrorism,
    Are they really idiotic enough to believe that Terrorists woudln't once being aware of such moves simply (and easily) work around such things?
    I can think of a handful of ways around this and i'm just an average guy...
    Such as piggybacking on an open (or cracked) wireless connection.

    This country is becoming revolting.
    So to protect our freedoms whe have to give them up do we?

    Well, another reason not to use networking sites like facebook and the like... as i'm sure it wont be long till our entire social life is owned by the government too.

    And anyone who uses the argument "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear"... well wake up!
    If you've done nothing wrong, then you shouldn't be being monitored!!!!

    I really think it's time to start looking into moving somewhere a little less fascist.

    Giving up freedom is NOT a way to protect freedom.

    D, uk
  • The government already have access to these records mainly for political purposes, not to protect us against terrorism. All they need now is to make the practice legal. Just in case...
    d.gavin, uk
  • "If you've done nothing wrong, then you shouldn't be being monitored!!!!"

    hear hear
    Richard Tornambe, UK
  • "Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty."
    -Benjamin Franklin
    Michael Robinson, UK
  • Woah, this goes beyond retarded I'm a afraid.

    There really are 1000 ways you'd avoid this if you was Mr terrorist. Waste of time, Waste of money.

    England really does suck ass!!!
    C, UK Shame!!!
  • i thought people deserved free speech and individual rights? if this is to go ahead how can the individuality of a person be private. say if i was to go home, what i do at my home surely should be private. i agree to this in one aspect only. for people with criminal records. and not criminal records like driving without licenses etc. but i mean serious offences. as what have the rest of us done to deserve this? if this comes about no one will be free. and our business wont be our own business. and knowing the government years down the line if they do backups of this so called database tehy plan to have they will probably lose the disks like they have times before on other social or governmential databases of people. seriously what kind of governemnt have we got that thinks bringing this about will cut crime. if anything you will make things worse and people will hate you even more. i say even more as you dont do anything now to help your people. if anything you should scrap this idea and concentrate more on country wide issues like housing and ever rising tax and bills like petrol. you should be solving them and trying to help your people not take their freedom.
    Carl Hughes, UK
  • I can assure you even if they do start to do this hackers terrorists etc will fined a way round it, they always will. And all that they will have is a massive data base of personal info for said people to search threw and steel your identity.

    Nice job, Well done Home office.
    S.C, Caledonia
  • Disgusting outrage! Totally unbelievable. Makes me glad that I plan to emigrate next year.
    Matt Riding, england - Unfortunately!!
  • Time to encrypt my emails, there's nothing to hide but i still believe the government can go and take a jump of a short pier. The government in this country are as big a threat than the terrorists themselves.

    If it came to that i'd give up the internet and cancel my phones. Don't use them much anyway 'cause i'm an ignorant b'stard!
    Pirate69, US
  • Not keen on this at all
    Si, Uk
  • as someone said above, the systems to carry out monitering on this kind of scale already exist, its just a matter of getting the law passed so that the greediest institutions can use this data against joe smith off the street for downloading music or other paltry "crimes" that they can make fine money from.

    i can almost guarantee that in the next few days the major newspapers will be flooded with hysteria, they'll spam a load of stuff about how internet pedophiles are still at large or how terrorists are using chat rooms or some other groundless crap.

    everyone better not forget about this or it's going to take the path of so many other issues that provoke this kind of response, from even the largest communities. Eventually people just get tired or arguing or forget about it, then after enough black propaganda has been spewed out into the public domain, everyone will be demanding that surveillance laws are passed even though they probably don't understand the nature of it.

    if life is a game, then we truely are getting owned at the moment. and i can't believe that people still buy into this crap after time and time and time again it's proven that pretty much all the courts and government want to do is f*** us for as much of our time / money (which are the same really) so that they can live easy off our backs. and we still clap and forget it all when someone prints something about how well they're doing. what a prime example of a failed civilization.

    fantastic way of making money if you're in that position and not concerned with the ethics though!
    pez, UK
  • Ha. Good luck with that.
    bob, london
  • this is just the beginning

    http://www.myspace.com/millennialism

    check it
    free, this one
  • 'Under plans put forward by officials', you say.

    Who precisely are these officials?

    I want names; I want addresses; I want telephone numbers; I want email addresses;

    I want all their correspondence and activities both written and electronic conducted over the last 12 months available to all who wish to see them.

    Let’s see if they like it.
    Alan, UK
  • Here we go!!!
    I love tihs counrty!
    Great idea.
    As Brown's cow-man one!
    So,.. communism.. than.

    And who will take care of data base?
    Home Office..? As recently...?

    citizen number 13572468, London
  • ***#admin#
    All posts are collected with IP numbers.
    ***#admin#
    ADMIN, London
  • I've been a life long Labour voter but enough is enough. I supported ID cards but this is just one step too far. The government is clearly very paranoid and power hungry (a dangerous combination). Going to vote for Cameron and hope common sense prevails!
    Mahesh, London
  • Terrorism is not a threat, heart disease is.

    The average annual number of deaths from terrorism in the UK is similar to the average number of shark attacks world-wide. So tell your MP "I am not afraid, please do not be afraid for me".

    Also, if we are afraid haven't the terrorists won?
    John, UK
  • I Might consider moving to Iraq. Open a chippy......LOL! I might even vote for Bin Laden as the next PM. He can't do any worse than the d*cks we have running this country already.
    Pirate69, Mars
  • But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
    US Declaration of Independence 4 July 1776
    Simple Simon Singleton, UK
  • Amazing.

    Welcome to the new world order...enjoy your stay.

    Although this was predicted already, many of the major signs are in place...
    The contrusction of taller and taller builds by the desert nomads
    Women who are dressed but appear naked
    The leadership of the Unfit
    Killing on a scale never seen before without reason
    Diseases for which there will no cure.
    A global king/govenment will be the icing on the cake.

    When the sun rises from the opposite direction, then it will no profit anyone to believe if they did not believe already.

    I bare witness that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger. (SAWS)

    There is no compulsion in religion, and no-one wants to 'change your way of life'. Each shall be paid the wages of his deeds.

    So, all that was relayed to us from that world famous Muslim, The Prophet Muhammad (SAWS). And much more too. So, if people don't know enough about Islam, then know that the govenment is against it, as are many of the govenements of the world. Please, do not say on the Day of Judgement that I did not pass this message on.

    When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes. For falsehood by it's very nature is bound to perish!
    Sad, Saudi
  • So if your making or receiving an International call will they play the 'Your call may be monitored for training purposes' message so people outside the UK know the call is monitored?

    It'll be interesting when the database gets out as it inevitably will
    steve, UK
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